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  • 24th July 2022 at 12:21 pm #570991

    As passports now have to be stamped when entering France from a non-EU country (ie the UK) this takes longer. That is why it is to do with leaving. It is all coming in to play now.

    24th July 2022 at 12:31 pm #570993

    British Government once again applying their usual tactics,having been 100% responsible for causing this problem,take no responsibility and try and blame France or the EU,hoping that they can get away with it by keeping the same little group of followers happy,it really is pathetic :negative:

    24th July 2022 at 1:52 pm #571000

    The average British holiday maker seems to be completely unaware that Brexit changed the rules completely.

    Protecting the borders? What a joke….there are more immigrants than ever entering the country….even if they are met with border controls…there’s no follow up…,many simply disappear…
    France absolutely has the right to check all passports….

     

    24th July 2022 at 5:38 pm #571004

    So is there a fast lane for EU residents or is everyone being treat with equal contempt. A 21 hour delay is inhumane.

    It would be fairer to close the ports to passenger traffic.

    I understand and agree that France and the rest of the EU not only have a right to, but should protect their borders. It is a shame that this right / obligation does not seem to apply or to be enforced with the same diligance on the Southern borders of Europe.

    24th July 2022 at 5:55 pm #571005

    theres no fast track lane fir EU citizens as a lot of people being interviewed were belgian, slovakian, german all condemning the carnage as totally the result of brexit and how right they are.

    24th July 2022 at 9:38 pm #571008

    I understand and agree that France and the rest of the EU not only have a right to, but should protect their borders. It is a shame that this right / obligation does not seem to apply or to be enforced with the same diligance on the Southern borders of Europe.

    To what are you referring, Bonjour.

    Europe, just like every other country, including UK. has a duty to rescue refugees in distress at sea within their territorial waters.

    Granted, occasionally some countries behave inhumanely and do not apply sufficient resources to rescuing refugees within their territorial waters, or even refuse to do so. (Occasionally some even go as far as threatening to turn the refugees boats around and send them back out to sea).

    So rather than criticising the application of sufficient resources in checking the identification of arrivals at the southern borders of Europe, I would say that insufficient resources are employed in rescuing those in distress, on the southern borders of Europe.

    As for southern French borders, due to Schengen, they barely exist if at all.

    24th July 2022 at 11:42 pm #571011

    It’s three years since we were staying close to the Italian border…in France.

    driving around we were often suprised to see roads blocked by French immigration officers…in the mountains around Monaco..

    maybe things have changed…but certainly they were trying to prevent  clandestine crossings.

    25th July 2022 at 11:28 am #571029

    Bonjour …Brexit created the problem…Europe didn’t choose …the Uk did…they can hardly complain now about the inconveniences.

    Boris Johnson had plenty of time to foresee the problems…he didn’t bother to get things organized…much easier to blame the French.

    throughout the last three/four years I’m sure he could have realized that there would be bottlenecks at busy times…especially the summer holidays…going through Dover is a naturel bottle neck….why on earth didn’t they finance Folkstone to reopen!

    Folkstone /Boulogne is…was…à gréât short route.

    I don’t blame the French at all….it’s typical of his oven ready chicken! Thank you Boris.

    25th July 2022 at 1:39 pm #571035

    When the biometric checks are introduced in September, there’ll be further delays. Everyone will have to get out of the vehicle.

    https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/eu-to-launch-biometric-entry-exit-system-in-a-few-months/

     

    25th July 2022 at 1:54 pm #571037

    The joys of travelling….I think I’ll just batten down the hatches…I love driving in France anyway….you have everything you could want…beautiful countryside…mountains…snow…sun…beaches…I understand why the French stay in France.

    The thought of spending hours waiting in the car…then finally getting on the boat or Eurotunnel……I know why we go virtually no where in July /August…

    Is Portsmouth affected?we have some friends travelling over next weekend…

     

     

    25th July 2022 at 2:07 pm #571038

    I believe Dover/Folkestone is particularly sensitive to any potential disruption. They are both served by the same main arterial road.

     

    Having travelled through Portsmouth a few weeks ago, it was easy to see how sensitive Portsmouth is also to potential disruption. On that occasion there was a  cruise ship departing on the same day, putting not only more foot traffic pressure on the port, but also more vehicular (taxi) traffic pressure. Moreover, the taxis seemed to be unfamiliar with the port and were dropping passengers off anywhere and everywhere, and even driving into the vehicle checking-in gates for the ferries, causing further congestion and disruption.

    Ferry vehicle traffic was backed up to the roundabout on the public roads. Anyone familiar with Portsmouth will know that there is only one lane entrance from the public road, for all the vehicle checking-in gates for the ferries. It’s not until you’re into the port car park proper that that single lane divides into multiple lanes.

    25th July 2022 at 3:50 pm #571040

    1200 arrived in Italy from Libya on Sunday alone….the locals saying it looks more like Libya than Italy.

    what can be done?

     

    25th July 2022 at 5:50 pm #571041

    what can be done?

    The provision of safe, legal opportunities for refugees to apply for asylum in their destination country of choice without having to make perilous journeys.

    An application process that allows applications to be resolved in good time and fairness.

    25th July 2022 at 9:33 pm #571043

    I agree…but it seems that isn’t fast enough for most of those that want to be in the UK.

    also…many of them would not fit the criteria !

    The developed world  should invest more in the countries that really need investment…sadly a lot of the foreign aid already going abroad …doesn’t end up helping the people…it disappears into pockets.

     

    25th July 2022 at 10:10 pm #571045

    I agree…but it seems that isn’t fast enough for most of those that want to be in the UK.

    It isn’t about speed, it’s about an accessible, safe, legal route for asylum seekers.

    There currently isn’t one, so the only option is to arrive on the shores of your chosen country to claim asylum. The only way to do that is to make that perilous journey. And once a refugee has escaped persecution, danger, or whatever they are escaping from, they can and do give some thought to their chosen destination. No doubt, invariably some make that choice even before embarking on their perilous journeys. Therefore the market for people smugglers to exploit is created. If there were safe, legal routes, accessible to asylum seekers, it would immediately destroy the market for people smugglers.

    also…many of them would not fit the criteria !

    Currently about 60% of applicants are granted asylum (in UK, including successful appeals. I don’t off-hand have data for other countries. ). I can’t see that metric changing just because (IF) there were accessible, safe and legal routes for refugees to apply for asylum.

    What I can foresee is reduced loss of life, reduced perilous sea crossings, reduced criminality, reduced misery, reduced political posturing of blaming the refugees for all the ills of society.

     

    And isn’t it weird how a discussion about travel invariably ends up about immigration, diverted by Bonjour, I believe.

    25th July 2022 at 10:54 pm #571047

    Posts more often than not go off at a tangent….like life…one thing inevitably leads to another

    Talking about Dover…travel chaos…sort of envelops..dinghies …actually it’s easier to get In …than out.

    It would be rather strange not to let subjects develop.

     

    26th July 2022 at 9:06 am #571052

    Posts more often than not go off at a tangent….like life…one thing inevitably leads to another

    …….

    It would be rather strange not to let subjects develop.

     

    True, but there’s always a couple of subjects that one can rely on to invariably enter the debate, sooner rather than later, one of those is always immigration.

    The reason is because it is that very topic pushed by right-wing politicians and media as to being the cause of all society’s ills. But the real history does not support the tropes. Humans, in all their mutations, have always migrated, one could say it’s human nature. If it were not, Homo sapiens would still be only in Africa, and the ‘west’ would still be inhabited by Neanderthals.

    Amazingly when ‘Britons’ emigrate, it’s to take civilisation to savages, and they’re called ex-pats, or missionaries, and in truth, they conquer, dominate and ‘rape and pillage’ the countries. But when others migrate to UK, for whatever reason, they’re called all sorts of disparaging titles.

    Then the real data adds further argument that refugees are not the bogey men of society: a) it’s not their fault that they need to escape their country of birth, it’s frequently the fault of the ‘west’. b) UK takes a tiny fraction of the number of refugees compared to other countries and regions. c) the more developed countries most able to absorb refugees complain the most and in reality do the least. d) the real problems in society are caused by governments failing society. (but blaming refugees for the problems). e) the problem is exacerbated by subsequent governments refusing to acknowledge the cause and the potential solutions for the route cause of migration of refugees.

    Finally, the “migration crisis” is due to get very much worse very soon as the climate deteriorates even further. But yet again, it’s the susceptible, poor and unprotected regions of the earth, that will suffer from the problem basically caused by developed countries.

    One thing that can be relied upon, it’ll be the refugees that are blamed, yet again. It’ll continue to enter any debate because it’s the topic always in the political manifestos and the media, even though it’s importance is minor compared to other issues.

     

    26th July 2022 at 10:00 am #571060

    We were told time and again that it wouldn’t happen:

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1551464079608483840

    26th July 2022 at 10:12 am #571062

    How many of us living here, emigrated to take civilisation to the savages I wonder?

    Who of us rapes and pillages?

    I think it more likely, we complied with all the various formalities and legality’s and that we continue to obey the law. I don’t see any evidence of us dominating or conquering France.

    On the subject of Travel chaos, it is in the papers that Spanish customs are to enforce much more vigorous checks, including whether visitors have an exit ticket and 100 Euros a day for their intended stay.

    Has anyone used Brittany Ferries these last few days, how were the queues etc?

    26th July 2022 at 12:49 pm #571066

    How many of us living here, emigrated to take civilisation to the savages I wonder?

    Who of us rapes and pillages?

    I think it more likely, we complied with all the various formalities and legality’s and that we continue to obey the law. I don’t see any evidence of us dominating or conquering France.

    Of course none of us were personally responsible for the bringing of civilisation to the savages, nor the raping and pillaging carried out on our behalf by our ancestors. So we can comfortably absolve ourselves of any personal responsibility for that, while basking in the advantages endowed to us by the various empires and its masters and servants.

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