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Anonymous6th June 2021 at 10:34 pm #552393
This post is one of the reasons why, as Pestual, I suggested on UIN in reply to someone that union with UIB was not the best idea as posts on UIB tend to be more grumpy and aggressive.
Or perhaps you misconstrue being challenged as ‘grumpy and aggressive’
I am the daughter of a refugee who had to deal with similar bigotry over 70 years agoby the way so excuse me if I get fed up with all the same old shite bandied around today…
John P wrote: This thread has rather gone off topic, it happens, which is one reason I have butted out. That and it is clear that my views and those of Bobby are totally opposed and we are never going to agree on the subject of refugees. That may well be John, but a) People should not allege that refugees are illegal because they want to claim asylum in the only way possible, b) people should not exploit a perfectly acceptable thread about Tim, his pubs and employing hospitality workers, to air their special brand of bigotry. c) people should not mix issues such as hungry and/or homelessness in UK with refugees, they are entirely separate issues. They have no causal effect nor influence. To conflate them is an attempt to gain a moral superiority. It does not succeed. Quite the opposite, it illustrates the fragility of their argument.
That is all very well but you are very good at making sweeping generalisations. Threads go off on a tangent often, it happens, no big deal. Your insinuations that other people are bigots just because they disagree with your opinions is exactly why I was leaving this discussion How long before the race card gets played? Just accept not everyone shares your views, sometimes it is better to just bow out gracefully and respect other people are entitled an opinion too.
Anonymous6th June 2021 at 11:05 pm #552396well we are mostley all immigrants here in france i think;or economic migrants in my case
well we are mostley all immigrants here in france i think;or economic migrants in my case
You are correct. There are many people living in each others countries throughout the EU. Now because of brexit UK residents are having to re-apply to stay in those countries and anyone without the relevent paperwork is being refused entry or told to leave.
Anonymous7th June 2021 at 8:38 am #552411How many people in the world,do you think would like to relocate to England if they could?
I quite agree with others, it’s a daft and irrelevant question. It’s a resort to absurdity. Like asking how many would like to live in Cornwall? Your question arrives from the wrong end of the spectrum. It should have been how many can no longer live in Syria, Nigeria, Vietnam, Burundi, etc, due to persecution, starvation, war, genocide, etc.?
I am confident that refugees do not want to make the long dangerous and expensive trip to somewhere where they might stand a better chance of survival, if they survive the journey. For refugees, it isn’t about a better standard of living, it’s about do I stay here at the risk of death, torture, disease or starvation, Or do I risk a hazardous journey, which I might not survive, but if I do I might be able to live a slightly better life, and perpetuate the family name.
For some, it’s more a case of do I stay here and die, or do I try to escape and perhaps die trying.
I would suggest that a read of one of the many books recounting a refugees survival of a hazardous journey, why they started out, etc would dispel some of the myths held by many.
One such silly myth often heard is the refugees can afford to have mobile phones etc.
If you were planning to send your strongest child on a long and hazardous journey, with as much money you could afford (if you haven’t already paid some crooks or smugglers), bearing in mind, that this money will probably have been collected by all of the extended family to finance one refugee, and the only possessions they have are the clothes that are on their backs, what one piece of equipment would you give them?
Of course it would be a mobile telephone, so they could keep in touch and report their success or, hopefully not, their failure. They are still your child and it must be heart breaking to send them on such a dangerous journey, not knowing if they’ll survive, or what dangers await them.
https://journals.openedition.org/moussons/4028
Anonymous7th June 2021 at 8:52 am #552416i thought refugees were suposed to seek refuge in a nighbouring country untill the end of the conflict and then return,not treck half way accross the world to the place that gives the best benifits,surley there has to be some sort of limit to avoid smaller countries being swamped?this is my opinion,i have a right to it;thankyou
Anonymous7th June 2021 at 1:44 pm #552440i thought refugees were suposed to seek refuge in a nighbouring country untill the end of the conflict and then return,not treck half way accross the world to the place that gives the best benifits,surley there has to be some sort of limit to avoid smaller countries being swamped?this is my opinion,i have a right to it;thankyou
Well your opinion, that you think you have a right to, is a mistaken assumption.
If you wish to make a statement on what refugees are supposed to do, I suggest you check your facts first instead of adding to the incorrect urban mythology.
There is no requirement on refugees doing anything of the sort of your incorrect assumptions.
They are free to choose which country they wish to apply for asylum. All they have to do is get there by any means possible. They are free to trek halfway round the world to arrive there, if they so wish. There is no requirement to apply in any country en route, and once their application is submitted they are free to stay in that country, either for as long as they please (if their application is successful) or until they are deported if they are unsuccessful. If their application is successful, they can choose to return to their country of origin if they so wish, at a time of their choosing.
What’s more, even if their application was unsuccessful, they can return and re-apply for asylum at a later date if they so wish. They’d probably have to prove that the situation has materially changed since their previous unsuccessful application, if they wish their subsequent application to succeed.
There used to be restrictions on subsequent applications in various EU countries, via the Dublin Agreement, but since Brexit, UK is no longer part of that agreement.
Anonymous7th June 2021 at 2:31 pm #552444I have a right to an opinion even if my opinion is wrong;i didnt state this was fact i said;;i thought;you dissagree,our opinions differ.i am sure admin will delete what they want,not what you want
Anonymous7th June 2021 at 2:33 pm #552446To avoid abuses, European law, the Dublin Regulation, requires that asylum seekers have their asylum claim registered in the first country they arrive in, and that the decision of the first EU country they apply in, is the final decision in all EU countries.
Anonymous7th June 2021 at 2:46 pm #552447To avoid abuses, European law, the Dublin Regulation, requires that asylum seekers have their asylum claim registered in the first country they arrive in, and that the decision of the first EU country they apply in, is the final decision in all EU countries.
Not true
i thought refugees were suposed to seek refuge in a nighbouring country untill the end of the conflict and then return,not treck half way accross the world to the place that gives the best benifits,surley there has to be some sort of limit to avoid smaller countries being swamped?this is my opinion,i have a right to it;thankyou
Such ignorance! You really need to educate yourself. Reading the responses to your posts will be a good start.
Anonymous7th June 2021 at 6:09 pm #552457I have a right to an opinion even if my opinion is wrong;i didnt state this was fact i said;;i thought;you dissagree,our opinions differ.i am sure admin will delete what they want,not what you want
Yes everyone has a right to an opinion, even if it is total bigoted bullcrap.
When it’s passed off as what is reality, it’s promoting bigotry and hatred based on falsehoods.
i thought refugees were suposed to seek refuge in a nighbouring country untill the end of the conflict and then return
And a huge proportion do!
If you look at the numbers for where refugees go and the countries that take them, the UK’s “problem” is tiny.
40 odd percent of the worlds refugees are in just 5 countries Turkey, Colombia, Pakistan, Uganda and Germany.
If you look at the figures as a % of population, the UK doesn’t feature in the top 10 there either (tho’ there are some surprises) Lebanon lead the field with more than a fifth of the population being Syrian refugees Jordan Turkey, Liberia, Uganda, Nauru, Malta, Djibouti Sweden and Sudan all have population made up of more than 2% refugees.
Then come the next 5 on the list Cameroon, Germany, Kenya, Ethiopia Russia and the USA
None the less most asylum seekers head to the UK, which is obviously having to cope with a flood; 31, 752 claims in 2020………. except for those who head for Germany with 155,295, France with 129,480, Spain with 128,520 and Greece with 81,465.
Tommy Robinson for President!!
Anonymous8th June 2021 at 9:27 am #552494None the less most asylum seekers head to the UK, which is obviously having to cope with a flood; 31, 752 claims in 2020………. except for those who head for Germany with 155,295, France with 129,480, Spain with 128,520 and Greece with 81,465. Tommy Robinson for President!!
Sorry Bartyb but your figures do not agree with your comment, obviously MOSTLY don’t head to the UK.
But I did detect some sardonicism in your post.
In 2020, 471 300 asylum applicants applied for international protection in the EU Member States;
Using your figure of 31,752 refugees heading for UK in 2020, that would mean that less that 6.3% of refugees headed for UK in 2020, of all EU refugees. The EU figure for 2020 did not include UK’s total.
Now the UK, along with so many other countries have had an issue with refugees for so many years, as long ago as 1960, I think the Carriers Act was legislated to make airlines, shipping lines, etc being responsible for arrivals of refugees without visas. Yet in the last 80 years, the best solution UK has found is to create a hostile environment for refugees.
Still we hear, year after year, of the system not being able to cope with refugees.
It looks more like an intentional and persistent refusal to consider the plight of refugees.
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