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  • 12th September 2021 at 11:45 pm #559523

    I watch quite a few old films on TV, I love stuff from the seventies and the eighties. Now I am increasingly noticing that these films are being edited to remove dialogue that is seen as not PC.

    These films are of an era, they are correct of their time but increasingly the lefty woke MINORITY are trying to change history, these pathetic  people are trying to destroy reality and probably didn’t even live through that era.

    It is the same with the morons who want to tear down statues in a pathetic attempt to change what has gone before. You cannot change history, it happened, accept it, maybe learn from it but move on. How much longer do we have to put up with a minority bunch of wasters trying to re-write our history?

    Now they are trying to stop non PC comedians playing theatres. If you don’t like the content, DON’T buy a ticket but what right do these pathetic people have to stop others enjoying a show? Everyone to their own.

    The British sense of humour has been destroyed by the PC brigade and we are left with totally unfunny comedians on TV, but if people want to see a real comedian and pay to go to a theatre, why shouldn’t you? If you think it will offend you, don’t go…It is that simple…just like you can change the channel on your TV.

    I am totally sick of the way the UK is pandering to the MINORITY. My Parents lived through WW1 and did their bit in WW2 to save our freedom and now it is being taken away by selfish morons who don’t respect the sacrifices made that they can have the freedom that they are trying to deny us. B******s

    13th September 2021 at 10:10 am #559534

    John ,many of us share these sentiments…we cannot re write history…there are moments in our past that we shouldn’t be too proud  of …but also moments where we can be very proud…doesn’t that apply to most countries in the world?

    demolishing historical monuments doesn’t make history change…we have to embrace our history…it’s who we are.

     

    13th September 2021 at 10:13 am #559535

    All the effort made recently to rewrite or delete historical facts should be made instead to educate, by filling in the gaps and to show how wrong these things were.  People then would learn right from wrong.  Seeing a gap where once stood a statue teaches them nothing.

    13th September 2021 at 10:48 am #559539

    “O’Brien was looking down at him speculatively. More than ever he had the air of a teacher taking pains with a wayward but promising child.

    ‘There is a Party slogan dealing with the control of the past,’ he said. ‘Repeat it, if you please.’

    “Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past,” repeated Winston obediently.

    “Who controls the present controls the past,” said O’Brien, nodding his head with slow approval. ‘Is it your opinion, Winston, that the past has real existence?”

    From 1984 – George Orwell

    Anonymous
    13th September 2021 at 11:55 am #559544

    They are not tearing down statues to change what has gone before. Or to delete or rewrite it.  Nothing can change what has gone before.

    They are doing it to remove the celebration of shameful things that have gone before which the statues are seen to be representative of.

     

    Anonymous
    13th September 2021 at 12:17 pm #559545

    I watch quite a few old films on TV, I love stuff from the seventies and the eighties. Now I am increasingly noticing that these films are being edited to remove dialogue that is seen as not PC. These films are of an era, they are correct of their time but increasingly the lefty woke MINORITY are trying to change history, these pathetic people are trying to destroy reality and probably didn’t even live through that era. It is the same with the morons who want to tear down statues in a pathetic attempt to change what has gone before. You cannot change history, it happened, accept it, maybe learn from it but move on. How much longer do we have to put up with a minority bunch of wasters trying to re-write our history? Now they are trying to stop non PC comedians playing theatres. If you don’t like the content, DON’T buy a ticket but what right do these pathetic people have to stop others enjoying a show? Everyone to their own. The British sense of humour has been destroyed by the PC brigade and we are left with totally unfunny comedians on TV, but if people want to see a real comedian and pay to go to a theatre, why shouldn’t you? If you think it will offend you, don’t go…It is that simple…just like you can change the channel on your TV. I am totally sick of the way the UK is pandering to the MINORITY. My Parents lived through WW1 and did their bit in WW2 to save our freedom and now it is being taken away by selfish morons who don’t respect the sacrifices made that they can have the freedom that they are trying to deny us. B******s

    JP, I can’t quite comprehend what you are basing some of the things on?
    Who are the better comedians of yesteryear?
    What films have had parts taken away?
    You can’t stop non pc comedians playing in theatres only people not turning up to watch them can stop that
    I personally fail to see that the British sense of humour has been destroyed, if you are thinking along the lines of homophobic Jim Davidson, then good riddance to him.
    I admit there are some unfunny comedians on TV but for sure there always have been unfunny comedians on TV.
    As for your comments on your parents and WW1 and WW2, they never fought for anything more than to destroy a dictator trying to take over the World. My own Father was at Dunkirk and later D-Day at Arromanches, doubt very much he would have seen it as fighting for the freedom of light entertainment.
    The wrongs of history should be corrected, we learn from the past by not doing the same wrongs in the future, we can’t just say “well that was the past” we cannot honour someone that put up his own statue when we then found out how he earned that money. We cannot benefit by the wrongs of the past.
    Now Brexit…..that was won by the minority but you know that.

     

    13th September 2021 at 12:19 pm #559546

    “They are doing it to remove the celebration of shameful things that have gone before which the statues are seen to be representative of.”

    Surely, it would be better to change the representation, which could then be educational, rather than disposing of the things and forgetting the past.

    13th September 2021 at 1:28 pm #559553

    The comedian I refer to is Chubby Brown. I am not a fan of his humour, it is a bit too course for me BUT he is popular and has been filling venues for 40 years. But one theatre has cancelled his latest run of shows as unsuitable. Why should people be allowed to do that? As long as the advertising clearly states the type of material the show contains you should have the choice to pay to watch it if you want to. Why should one part of society have the right to decide what others can or can’t watch? Roger refers to Jim Davidson, not everyone’s cup of tea but just because you don’t like him does that give you the right to stop others going to see him? where will this censorship by the minority end?

    Why should classic films be altered just because they contain a word or reference which was acceptable at the time, why should anyone be offended by something said or done 40 years ago if it wasn’t branded offensive at the time? A modern day film would not contain the same dialog as an old film but the point is the old film represents a point in history and should not be altered to fit a different era. Times change and just because we move on, the way we used to live and speak should not be airbrushed out. It is part of history.

    Statues represent people from the past. Slavery happened all over the world and at the time it was not illegal. Many slave traders gave a lot towards their local communities and it is that which they are recognised for. Britain was a leader in abolishing the slave trade and it was made illegal over 200 years ago but it happened and it is history. We have learned and moved on. The statues are not celebrating slavery but recognise that it happened so future generations can relate to our history and hopefully learn from past mistakes.

    And finally, our Parents/Grandparents fought against oppression and for freedom of speech and freedom to do what we enjoy within the law whatever that may entail.

    13th September 2021 at 1:51 pm #559558

    With respect John, there has to be some limits or would you allow any comic or anyone else to be able to make jokes and comments about anything including child porno, wife beating, homosexuality and male rape etc etc etc ?

    Anonymous
    13th September 2021 at 3:15 pm #559563

    Chubby Brown is vulgar and if a venue does not want that at their establishment, then that is either their loss, or a venue doing what they believe is right and banning a vulgar comedian from their place as is thier right. As for him being popular, sorry with some people maybe but not so popular as he once was, you can only throw so many  effs and C’s  for so long until it becomes completely old hat. Comedians come and go all the time, never been any different.
    As for Jim Davidson he has no place in todays world of comedies, no idea he was banned from anywhere but I do know he is not in demand, so like so many, there is therefore no place for him any longer, you could say quite simply that there is no demand for him and his type of comedy these days. So where is the proof that people have been stopped from seeing him?
    Again what old films have been altered, if you mean another film has been made with the same title, well that is pretty common isn’t it? I was thinking along the lines that you meant old films had been doctored or was that what you actually meant?
    Yes our parents fought against an aggressor and that was it but come on, it has nothing to do with todays society, look back at films, theatres, everyday life, every decade times change and I mean everything, what happened in the war has literally nothing to do with how our lives are lead today. We must of course be grateful for all the men and women that fought but it was against an aggressor, first and foremost, freedom of speech is what a civilised country expects.

    13th September 2021 at 4:23 pm #559565

    With respect John, there has to be some limits or would you allow any comic or anyone else to be able to make jokes and comments about anything including child porno, wife beating, homosexuality and male rape etc etc etc ?

    There are sort of unwritten rules in the comedy circles and I have never heard jokes about those subjects you mention. However if you enjoyed a blue comedian you always had to go to see them at a theatre or club and it seems that there is a move to restrict the type of comedy allowed in some venues.

    Roger I didn’t bring up Jim Davidson, you did. He does have a following on his internet channel and he does a lot of charity fund raising and highlighting cases for ex servicemen and women as well.

    Films I have watched recently that have had bits edited out are Dirty Harry and Sudden Impact but I have noticed quite a few others which have been edited too lately.

    13th September 2021 at 7:36 pm #559580

    They are not tearing down statues to change what has gone before. Or to delete or rewrite it. Nothing can change what has gone before. They are doing it to remove the celebration of shameful things that have gone before which the statues are seen to be representative of.

    Far better to let the statues remain as they are as a reminder.

     

    Anonymous
    13th September 2021 at 7:42 pm #559581

    They are not tearing down statues to change what has gone before. Or to delete or rewrite it. Nothing can change what has gone before. They are doing it to remove the celebration of shameful things that have gone before which the statues are seen to be representative of.

    Far better to let the statues remain as they are as a reminder.

    Might as well pop up a few of Hitler then….

    13th September 2021 at 8:36 pm #559585

    Better pull down Churchill then……an alcoholic racist is not a very good example to children.

    Anonymous
    13th September 2021 at 9:02 pm #559591

    Spain made the right decision to empty the country of any mention of Franco’s name and that now includes his previous resting place outside Madrid in the Valley of the Fallen.

     

    13th September 2021 at 9:31 pm #559598

    Far better to let the statues remain as they are as a reminder.

    The last I heard, the statue of Edward Colston was in a museum in Bristol with graffiti intact and the ropes that were used to pull it down. It now serves both as a reminder of the man himself and as a reminder  that enslaving Africans and shipping them half way across the world in appalling conditions is no longer acceptable.  The tearing down of his statue and replacing it with a statue of a black lives matter activist is now a part of our modern history, and the fact that Colston’s statue was dumped in the water seems fitting to me. After all, that’s exactly what happened to the estimated  19,000 bodies of slaves who didn’t survive the trip while Colston was involved with the Royal African Company.

    14th September 2021 at 12:38 pm #559617

    “Statues represent people from the past. Slavery happened all over the world and at the time it was not illegal. Many slave traders gave a lot towards their local communities and it is that which they are recognised for. Britain was a leader in abolishing the slave trade and it was made illegal over 200 years ago but it happened and it is history. We have learned and moved on. The statues are not celebrating slavery but recognise that it happened so future generations can relate to our history and hopefully learn from past mistakes.”

    Very very naive interpretation “Many slave traders gave a lot towards their local communities and it is that which they are recognised for.” which local community. I Africa or the UK. If you refer to Africa you should research the harm these people did, if the UK, the people who “benefited” the local community were also more likely to exploit it, do not believe everything you see in Up Stairs down Stairs, or worse still Downton Abbey written by an ultra right wing Tory who knows how to exploit the masses.

    If you read about the slave trade you will see it was banned but had already begun to come to an end because there were so few people left in Africa, This is why Africa is so poor and there are so few opportunities for the young, The population of Africa has taken 200 year to recover from the effects of slavery and 60% of the population is still aged under 30.

    I have to agree that statues should not torn down but should be defaced in a way that makes it very clear the evil way they acted. But to say they are not celebrating slavery is questionable given that it was as a result of the exploitation that these statues were put up in the first place.

    I would also like to see the people who inherited lots of money from the people who ran the slave trade or carried out other activities, that are rightly today known to be bad, pay for there forefathers disgusting acts, They should be made to pay there ill gotten gains back to help the people who are now still suffering.

    Finally slavery has not been stopped in many areas of the world it is still rife yet this Tory government still courts those countries that still allow slavery.

     

    14th September 2021 at 6:56 pm #559639

    Interesting stuff Paul,

    I  was reading about Thomas Guy, the founder and benefactor of Guys Hospital. Some of his vast fortune was made with investments in the East India Company which had dealings in the transatlantic slave trade. His statue in the grounds of the hospital has been covered since last summer.

    Would the Black Lives organisation be happy to see the statue demolished and the hospital closed because of past links ?

    Anonymous
    14th September 2021 at 8:25 pm #559645

    Interesting stuff Paul, I was reading about Thomas Guy, the founder and benefactor of Guys Hospital. Some of his vast fortune was made with investments in the East India Company which had dealings in the transatlantic slave trade. His statue in the grounds of the hospital has been covered since last summer. Would the Black Lives organisation be happy to see the statue demolished and the hospital closed because of past links ?

    Who is asking for it to be closed Pete?

    Anonymous
    14th September 2021 at 8:33 pm #559646

    I don’t think there’s any question of it being closed, the question is rhetorical. People benefit today from Guys Hospital, which was perhaps built, in part, using funds that came from profits from slavery; it would be indefensible to shut the hospital because of that link, yet many people rail about the ill-gotten gains that slavery created. Some double standards are more acceptable than others, apparently.

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