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  • 30th August 2022 at 8:44 am #572230

    As things look at the moment I am going to be switching off my pellet system soon. With pellets at 10€ a bag it is no longer cost efficient.

    As most pellet systems were installed into homes of people at the lower end of the income scale, I am not going to be alone in this, so I will be interested to see what, if anything, the government response will be to what appears to be blatant profiteering by the pellet suppliers.

    I have “cheap” rate electricity for 5 hrs during the night and 3 hrs in the afternoon. This was in place when I bought the house and I never cancelled it, so as my pellet system has a back up immersion heater, I am considering using that on a timer twice a day for 30 minutes during the cheap periods for hot water and going back to heating with my woodburner depending of course what happens to the price of wood in the coming months. It costs more or less the same to heat a house with a family as it does for one person( hot water aside ) so I need to find the most economic solution.

    30th August 2022 at 10:07 am #572246

    John P, I don’t know your circumstances but I have a friend in England who for the fifty years or so that I have known him never leaves home without bringing something back. He lives in the country and year round he picks up wood or branches or even twigs for kindling. If he’s near the coast, its driftwood. He has never paid for wood in his life. When he had dogs the dog always carried a decent sized stick home too.

    His attitude was, if the dog wants to lay by the fire, he can help get the wood for it.

    Its worth thinking about anyway.

    30th August 2022 at 12:09 pm #572258

    I have always managed to provide a limited amount of wood for my own use from cutting back trees on my land and breaking up old pallets etc and supplementing that with some bought in from local sources. I can go back to doing that if I have to but it is very frustrating having a brand new heating system which I have invested a good proportion of my savings into, only to find less than a year later it is no longer economic for the forthcoming winter. I have a family sized house and just me in it so of course only one source of income. Yes I know there are people  worse off than me, maybe I have no right to complain, it is just the feeling that I along with many others have almost been scammed that annoys me. I could move to a smaller house, but I have no appetite for that and smaller doesn’t necessarily mean better insulated or so well positioned for shops with nice neighbours etc. Maybe when this lunacy that is going on in the world at the moment calms down, perhaps things will settle back to a more normal pace because it sure as hell can’t carry on the way it is going!

    31st August 2022 at 10:57 am #572303

    There is a rumour going around for the cause of the shortage John.

    “Suppliers are hoarding stocks to wait until the price goes up to €15 per bag” on a couple of forums.



    31st August 2022 at 11:12 am #572304

    The government has poured millions into the scheme to promote pellets and heat pumps into people’s houses who could otherwise not afford these systems. To then allow pellets to double or triple in price thus making the system unaffordable to use doesn’t make sense on any level so lets wait and see what happens next. a lack of information will always fuel the rumour mill :scratch:

    31st August 2022 at 11:44 am #572306

    Can you find out the wholesale cost for a lorry load and divide that up between several or many people?

    31st August 2022 at 11:53 am #572308

    The government can’t do much about it, just like any other commodity. It’s supply and demand, at the moment the supply is weak, hence the increase in price.

    31st August 2022 at 11:56 am #572309

    As another thought, it might be worth checking out the prices in neighbouring countries. I have in the past found different items much cheaper in Germany and Italy even after transport costs.

    31st August 2022 at 12:04 pm #572311

    Going back to the original post, there’s some general info on this site, but bear in mind that some of the information may not apply to France:https://www.housingenergyadvisor.com/blog/heat-pumps-your-questions-answered-123/

    3rd September 2022 at 8:54 am #572477

    Feels like we’re going back 100 years in our attitude towards heating and cooking, who would have thought a few years back that  we would be in this postion now?

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